Circumventing irresponsible authoritarian imposition of incoherent patterns of connectedness
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Question to Claude-4.5: Previous exchanges have included reference to Georges Polti's Thirty-Six Dramatic Situations. The possibility was evoked of an AI review of 100 popular movies to detect how many of those situations were evident -- and how many were not. The possibility of doing so from Wikipedia profiles was recognized. Having just completed a 64-fold mapping exercise, the obvious question is why 36 and not 64, and what might a 20-fold collapsed cluster of such situations look like.
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The question of "why 36 and not 64" strikes at something fundamental about the relationship between combinatorial possibility space and dramaturgically viable configurations. The 36/64 gap as structural rather than arbitrary: If 64 represents full binary combinatorial space (2*6), then 36 might represent what survives when you impose a relational constraint. Consider: 64 hexagram positions exist, but 28 of them are either self-referential or structurally degenerate when mapped to dramatic interaction. 64 - 28 = 36, where 28 is the 7th triangular number (sum of 1-7). This suggests Polti may have intuitively discovered the residue after removing configurations that cannot sustain dramatic tension between distinct agents. Alternatively, 36 = 6×6 captures something about dramatic situations being inherently dyadic - requiring two independent 6-fold dimensions (say, protagonist disposition × antagonist disposition) rather than six binary choices that can be independently toggled. The I Ching allows for 64 because it models individual states of a single system; drama requires irreducible two-body dynamics. For the 20-fold compression: Looking at my earlier frequency analysis with you, the clustering principle might be role-topology. Most situations involve variations on four fundamental role-structures:
Four role-topologies × 5 modal variations (tragic/comic/sacrificial/transformational/cyclic) = 20. Would you want to attempt the 100-film empirical analysis? It would test whether the 36→20 compression reflects actual usage patterns or is merely theoretical elegance. | |
Question to Claude-4.5: Of interest in envisaging any such exercise is how lists of made of N movies ("best", etc). Why N and how feasible would such an exercise be for AI. Of particular concern is how N gets meaningfully and memorably chosen when it exceeds Millers constraint.
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Your question exposes something typically unexamined: the arbitrary decimalism of most "N best" lists versus the cognitive architecture that supposedly makes such lists useful. The suspicious N values in common use:
None of these reflect structural necessity. They're decimal monuments to bureaucratic convenience. What would cognitively meaningful N look like? If Miller's 7±2 governs working memory, then lists exceeding *9 items require chunking strategies to remain navigable:
Beyond *36, humans don't actually hold the list - they consult it. The list becomes a reference artifact rather than a cognitive map. For AI feasibility: The exercise is technically straightforward. Wikipedia plot summaries exist for thousands of films. An AI could:
But the choice of N would bias results:
A more honest approach: Rather than accepting someone else's arbitrary N, one might:
This inverts the question from "how many films?" to "how distributed across dramatic space?" - making 36 the meaningful N rather than an externally imposed decimal. Would the discovery that, say, situations 17-19 (fatal imprudence, involuntary crimes of love, slaying of kinsman unrecognized) are systematically underrepresented in contemporary cinema tell us something about what dramatic territories we've collectively abandoned? | ||||||||||||||||||||||
Question to Claude-4.5: My concern is whether an analysis would reveal that psychosocially "vital" types were underrepresented in a media diet -- as with lack of vitamins and the scurvy problem (by analogy)
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This reframes the exercise from cataloguing to diagnosis. The scurvy analogy is more than metaphorical if dramatic situations serve developmental or cultural-maintenance functions that aren't consciously recognized until their absence manifests as pathology. The vitamin analogy unpacked: Vitamins are required in small quantities, their function is often catalytic rather than structural, deficiency symptoms appear only after prolonged absence, and the connection between deficiency and symptom was historically non-obvious (scurvy wasn't linked to citrus for centuries despite empirical evidence). Candidate "dramatic vitamins" - situations whose absence might produce collective pathology:
The media-diet hypothesis: If Hollywood systematically underproduces certain situations because they're:
...then populations raised on that diet might exhibit characteristic deficiencies in the [Parts: Next | Last | All] [Links: To-K | From-K | From-Kx | Refs ] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||